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Jamie

I think it would be a good thing for parishes to have a blurb on appropriate dress posted in the church and printed in the bulletin -- we saw that in a number of churches in Italy. The culture's bar is so low that I think lots of families don't even think about raising it for themselves.

I am hesitant about priests speaking off the cuff on modesty from the pulpit -- not because it shouldn't be done, but because it should be done carefully. It's easy to cause hard feelings and hurt feelings when people don't realize that they're out of line.

Changing the subject slightly: what does anyone think about clothes for daily Mass? We always dress for a feast on Sundays (skirt or dress for me, no T-shirts or denim for the boys), but we have been getting to daily Mass once a week lately with some effort. On Friday I realized that I felt uncomfortable in the shorts and T-shirt that are my usual weekday attire.

Abigail

I think it would be a bad idea for the priest to address the topic from the pulpit during the summer, because it would make the scantily clad women terribly self-conscious. Solution: he should wait until the iciest day of deep winter, and talk about it then. Rule One (if I were making the rules) would be: women's tops should have some sort of sleeve.

Teresa

I'm divided on this one. To be sure I would prefer more modesty in dress everywhere -- not just at Mass (and I'm not that old!). However, I'm delighted to know that young women are attending Mass at all. I keep wondering at what point will the fashion trends swing back in the other direction. Other than wearing pasties in public, I can't see how we can go much further in the scantily-clad direction.

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