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Georgette

**What this does is crystallises what women are playing with. They are the ones who historically are called to keep their heads, to put on the brakes, so to speak, when passion gets out of hand.**

Amen. And also illustrates why the loss of chastity and modesty and the other related virtues are to be mourned by all of society! All this selfishness just hurts the innocent and weakest among us.

Please see my blog-post on the lost Christian virtue of ladylikeness. http://chronicleofameanderingtraveller.blogspot.com/2006/03/marie-antoinette-catholic-saint.html

Tony

God willing, it won't be adopted as policy anywhere, but just knowing that men could be this callous and selfish might tip off a woman that he isn't worth her time.

I say in this particular case "right on, brother!". I believe men should stand up for their responsibilities, but I'm firmly in the camp that if a woman can get off the hook of an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy by killing her child, the ethics of a guy getting off the financial hook is so small in comparison as to be insignificant.

As long as fathers are considered disposable in the raising of their children, and are considered only as state-mandated ATM machines then women aren't going to care.

Now, on the other hand, if they know that they might be all alone in their choice, they might think twice about having sex with some strange guy they hardly know.

It's time to shut down the ATM machine for women who trick men into impregnating them and then doing whatever they wish with no regard to the child or the man they created that new life with.

Teresa

This suit is a grim trajectory from the roots of Roe v. Wade.

What are the possible arguments and decisions of the case?

Would they argue that he loses on the grounds that the "by product" of their sexual union is on/in her property. Therefore, it makes it her possession? (I'm not aware of any precidents of lawsuits where a bicycle becomes yours because it's left in your yard, but, hey... they can argue anything!)

Would he win on the charge that she defrauded him, so she has to pay restitution... BUT, he still has to pay chid support?

Charles R. Williams

This thinking is the result of logical arguments founded on insane premises. Now if we could just get people to understand that the woman's "right to choose" is insanity.

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