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Pam

In 1962 I had just turned 2 and my sister was 11 months old when my brother was born. We also had two more siblings who were 4 and 5 years old. (There were more to come but not as close.) Propping bottles became standard fare and so did affect disorder.

My mother always suspected that the Bishops had dropped the ball when it came to the legalization of abortion. Little did she know that they dropped the ball long before that.

Kristen

I continue to maintain, then as now, that the real change is only possible when the couple is perosnally committed to the idea of chastity for the sake of sanity. In other words, you can tell the husband who truly loves his wife by the spacing of the children. Yes, it is certainly easier with NFP. But I know couples who have been chaste for long periods for very serious reasons, and I think the success of that approach lies with the husband more than the wife.

Mrs Jackie Parkes

You don't need to breast feed to space families..nfp works fine..not that we used it having 12 pregnancies in 14 years...& abstinence afterwards due to serious health problems..i might add i have no varicous vains!

young woman in shoe

"In other words, you can tell the husband who truly loves his wife by the spacing of the children. "

Whoa! What about the couple who both desire lots and lots of children? What about the wife who persuades her more prudent husband to make love at a fertile time? What about honest mistakes in judgement about the chart?

There are dozens of variations on the theme of "It's best to space children, and the man can have pity on his wife and control his lust." I certainly hope you don't sit in church and calculate how loving various husband are by how much space in the pew their family takes up.

pam

In 1962 I don't believe NFP was readily available. The only thing my mother knew about was the rhythm method and because of her irregular cycles that was of little help to her. Had the Bishops stressed the importance of breastfeeding (and or NFP) she would have listened. She also had her share of varicose veins (the bulging painful type) but why that matters I don't know.

Kristen

Well...I guess I didn't explain what I meant very well. I'm not looking at any other marriage but my own. We had five kids in six years. We've had three more in the twelve years since then. Each one has been a joy and remains a joy. We love the parents we became because of them. But the fact remains that those early years were more of a testimony to our own imprudence and selfishness than to the joy of parenthood. I was miserable. So was he. It was awful.

But, out of the ashes, a wonderful marriage emerged, thanks in no small part to the purifying influence of NFP and the wonderful couples who practice it, showing others how to truly live a life of love.

No, I know better than to sit in Mass and attempt to pick at the speck in my brother's eye. God knows the beam in my own eye is blinding enough. But from friends crying on my shoulder, I've found that my troubles were not some kind of rare aberration, and that many couples really struggle with NFP, mostly because their moral foundation was not adequate to the task (mine sure wasn't), and the larger culture assaults the senses daily with immodest images, particularly in the workplace. So, controlling lust is actually something that husband has to think about, usually daily.

Because so few couples practice NFP, we swim against the tide everywhere we go. But the wife who happens to be home with the kids has a luxury that the breadwinner doesn't have - she's surrounded by the wonderful kids. Usually, the husband is out there slogging away among people who (out of ignorance) model behavior that is antithetical to the values that make NFP work.

Well, I'm rambling here. But my take-away is that fighting lust is a two person job, not just the husband. It's part of sharing one another's burdens. But, that sharing takes a long time to develop when your starting point is so far away from the truth. Which mine was, and I don't really think I am unusual.

young woman in shoe

Well my goodness, it turns out we agree after all! Sorry my tone was rather nasty.

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